The “best interest” rule with regard to a child’s welfare in family law is certainly not an objective standard…and similarly, the DSM – which is ‘the bible’ in psychology – is an evolving document which has cultural influences evident in different evolutionary stages of its incarnation. (Which have been apt of late.) Can we at least agree to disagree? But what the other readers, myself and HG did not do is loose thier cool and explode at me ( a person you do not know in real life… therefore have no real basis of my personal moral code) as you just did. I know for a fact that his work has done a lot of good to empaths who need clarity and help in navigating their way out of the toxic ensnarement and the effects of the experiences with narcissists. Moral are based on intra subjectivity.

It does get heated sometimes when people have varying views and are passionate about something. (E007 pls note I’m using this as an example of what appears to be a shared blind spot here)

He would not waste precious time addressing this issue that he believes is crucial to your understanding of the mindset of a narcissist and how it differs from that of an empath if he thought you an idiot. This is exactly how I felt. Either way you have food, ready to eat and to sustain you. It is a normal human reaction. I appreciate them. Read this entire thread and am impressed by the various insights and different perspectives of each individual commenting here.

empath007 It’s because the majority of those who learn here make the most progress. No. Where narcissim becomes the excuse for poor behaviour all in then name Of “perspective”. I think it’s best we stop this conversation as I do not appreciate being called an idiot. Prob last Sept? That was the start of your first comment on this thread and it was you who used the term “idiocy” directed at me. I don’t think that’s what I said. But I also understand that you are entitled to your own perspective just like we are and you were just simply stating what you personally regard as idiocy.

Furthermore, a human construct is inherently intra subjective and therefore cannot be objective. Putting others needs in front of your own IS idiocy from his perspective. HG is like a talented and skilled boxer but the one who uses dirty techniques to win. Are they ridiculous? Divorcing The Narcissist – What To Expect, https://narcsite.com/the-way-to-goso-get-out-and-stay-out/. It is not objectively granted. It is not evil from their perspective. The way I see it is that an empath’s instinctive reactions can change so that they become aware and can resist their emotional thinking. Ancient Romans left them by the side of the road. You would describe that as wrong. 5.

Honestly, no-one was called an idiot. (This is actually the film’s first sequence, and it’s a glorious moment of deadpan WTF-ery.) That none may penetrate By the majority who are imposing their intra-subjective reality on me, I do not share it, because driving as I please is my entitlement through my intra subjective reality. You’re the polar opposite. As wonderfully intelligent and masterful as you are, HG, you are still a human with a soul, and at the end of your life, you, too, will stand before the creator and have your entire life played out in front of you. And we are responsible for our own actions. I can totally understand why and how you and empath007 felt that you were referred to as idiots when HG stated that a certain empathic behavior (sacrificing one’s wellbeing) is idiocy.
Thank you for your conversation HG and other readers. Arent they similar to a degree ? Why do you view those who have given observations that differ from yours as dreadful and embarrassing lieutenants, speaking for him, or trying to receive approval? I understand what he is saying about ‘intra-subjective perspectives’ as well. But I have REPEATEDLY said “Thank you HG I will consider this”…. Im not always flattering to your kind either. I’ve seen people blather on about a variety of topics on this site… so today is my turn I guess haha. Psychologists define “health” as the least defended psychological state.

With regard to the idiocy issue, several readers have understood this and politely explained it to you, there is a distinction between idiocy and an idiot. This is what your worldview believes is behind it and a narcissist may even say that (adopting the majority intra-subjective worldview in order to fit in) but it is not driven by shame at the label, it is driven by the need for control. That would make me a narc. Perhaps you also missed the attempts by other people to explain the concept to 007, to assist understanding. Since you beleive all those things about me you just said. It is possible that I’m not the majority, but I would hope that is not the case. And wanted to thank her. But because the setup is so obvious, it feels like they are dawdling there before they get to the point, which slows the story’s forward momentum.

It’s never too late to restart and get your SELF back. I hope this procures at least some compassion on judgement day even though no doubt he has no concern about such things. Yes. I just don’t see it as a beneficial thought process. WhoCares, By failing to understand this, you will struggle to master understanding of this topic and apply it. What a fun exciting game this is! HG was the first to use the term idiocy on this post. HG, I wasn’t offended (after the initial stabbed to the heart reaction) at you calling the content of my example of reasoning idiocy. God forgive me . It’s hard to swallow but it’s true.

Makes the blog colourful but feels exclusive. Another consequence of the way I have been created.

That is a positive thing . You did us all a service, so please take some satisfaction in that. When you give it, I don’t know what you call what you are giving your (romantic) targets, but it comes into the recipients as love. Would you try new sources? And was quite rude to me when he said it too (which whatever… that I don’t care about, I am liable to use harsh tones myself from time to time – we all are). You also have the option to opt-out of these cookies. The idea here is to exchange beliefs and opinions for others to consider and sometimes clarification is needed, often because we can become clouded when emotional, but at the end if the day whether someone adopts or rejects them is up to them. I think that we are all paying attention and we all believe in our own minds that we are thinking about it constructively. I’ve built walls My couch reference was re, my collapse that was progressively worse over the past decade. I have contempt for the fact that people are governed by such feelings which are a weakness. well thought out arguments I can imagine were articulated , it was important , more to the point, to see what he was writing as an instrument for learning, not to misconstrue as being personally attacked because you have feelings. Both exist and both evolved as human ways of ‘coping’ or ‘living’.

And I felt it was important to say something about that. Just like there is no such thing as an objective standard of good or evil, right or wrong. we just simply do not care about it as much about power… we direct our efforts to other things in our lives. Period. But what if you had no money to acquire this food, how would you quell the rumblings in your stomach? ISIS…evil!!! I am cursing myself now for responding but having known a “good man” in my life, it was abhorrent to me that HG placed himself in the same category. Lol. Think about it. Same for my “scientist handyman.” Zero awareness. Learn to disagree without destroying the other person. Theres a lot of killing thats been done in the name of good when it was malicious based. Why? Absolutely! So I enjoy conversations, and different POVs but based on fact and logic. Empaths are capable of achieving success regardless of the fact that we have feelings….

The US Marines We prefer positive fuel and we have the ability to self fuel although most don’t know it yet! Need to chill out? I subscribed to the belief that it is in a child’s best interest to have two parents in his or her life (which contributed to the length I stayed entangled) – until I understood that one of the parents in my child’s life is an abuser.

Well stated, HG; there are many more examples of the same.

I will look it up. I am not saying those who are highly defended do not seek to cause pain in order to feel powerful or to control. E007´s emotional thinking is failing to enable her to understand this. To me, it sounds like you’re saying some ‘points of view’ can be based on fact and logic, while some cannot. Of course if your reason is different from that of the majority then this doesn’t apply. And then gripping like Kaa.

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As for me, acknowledging a different perspective isn’t about giving anybody an excuse or a free pass to do anything. There is always hope.

a drug addict is convinced that he/she is uncapable to live without his fix, withdrawal is verry painfull, but when assisted by good doctors it is possible, and defenitly worth it, imagine all the good things you can do if you could save the time and energy you dedicate to fuel gathering and scheming against your targets, you will have the choice to do things or not do them your narcissism will not govern your existance. A classic one is the logic that each relationship beforehand has failed, yet the narcissist has an infatuation with the new IPPS and this time, it is the one. you are constantly creating reactions in people. You are far from rambling, you are accurate. And at the end of the life review, it will not be what you have done that will decide your soul’s fate, it will be how you feel about being in the presence of the living God, and what that causes your soul to do. Oh, so if you lived in China, you would do the controlling? The only thing that might sway such a person is enlightened self-interest: “if I forego this immediate benefit, I can get a greater one later.” A lower-functioning narc might not even be capable of that: remember the scorpion and the frog? That doesn’t make them very intellegent. Evil was used as an example of an inapplicable objective standard, just like good, bad, right or wrong. The Bare Necessity (Perdrix), French sports journalist and filmmaker Erwan Le Duc’s first feature, is a quirky meditation on the nature of love. Are we even reading the same post? So, I’m not even going to try to ‘convince’ you.

I touch no one and no one touches me Perhaps not. Do narcissists have ‘real’ and ‘objective’ power then? Yes. I do not regard as sacrificing my own well-being for the sake of others as good, I regard it as idiocy. What you regard as good is founded on a construct arising from intra-subjective reality. ), With Jim Bob! Do you have a limit or when the chips are down and your stomach is knotted with the agony of starvation would there be no limit? In this case, I took issue with the term “evil” and made my case. Empath007 Thank you NA. Kids are doing fabulous, although I got real assertive with my son over brushing teeth today and he said I hit him when grabbing his iPad which did not happen and he cried. Would you cope with the stares of pity and disdain from those who saw you surfing a dumpster? You could go on and on with this topic. You would describe that as right.
I don’t believe that all who disagree with HG “rail” against him. It is my belief there is right and wrong. To be very clear, HG did not state that empaths are idiots. It is not situational. “Good” is a word created by humans to define a positive value or pleasurable affect regarding a subject. and I agree with you on the fact that we are not idiots for being empathic and having emotional reactions. In my life I’ve only dealt with a total of 6 narcissist (of whom I entered their sphere of influence) I got rid of every single one of them… instinctively….


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