CASHIN: They both were. I became valedictorian - co-valedictorian - of my class, right? From colonial times, there were three populations in this little, rural-farmer's hamlet.

But I remember we left the bullet hole there. After knocking on and then breaking through the door, Brooks and two deputies encountered the couple while they were still in bed. And every single time he would get people excited. They missed the way - their rural way of life. And did that quiet down after a while? It was hard for him to watch. She's the author of the new book "Loving: Interracial Intimacy And The Threat To White Supremacy."

Cashin grew up the child of civil rights activists in Huntsville, Ala. Interracial Intimacy in America and the Threat to White Supremacy. Chief Justice Earl Warren's written decision described Virginia's ban as designed to maintain white supremacy. Let's get back to my interview with Sheryll Cashin, author of the new book "Loving: Interracial Intimacy In America And The Threat To White Supremacy."

CASHIN: And my father survived that and decided, I think I'm done flying. And we, you know, put our finger on it. CASHIN: Right. GROSS: How did they end up bringing their case to the Supreme Court? \"They asked Richard who was that woman he was sleeping with,\" Mildred Loving later told an intervie… And you see them starting to talk, particularly Mildred.

And that's the beginning of their nine-year journey just to live as man and wife in Virginia. And so my father and other liberals, white and black liberals, in the state were incensed. Copyright © 2003 - 2020 Offbeat Empire.

The Voting Rights Act is passed in 1965. And I had people come up to me and say, I didn't know that. I mean, again, Huntsville was not - I didn't have anything like Little Rock. There is nothing, right? Pp. CASHIN: Just to visit, and they would get caught. I'm Terry Gross, back with Sheryll Cashin, author of the new book "Loving" about Loving versus Virginia, the Supreme Court decision that overturned laws banning interracial marriage. Let's get back to my interview with Sheryll Cashin. We're here (laughter).

There's a lot of intentionality around that. Cashin is a law professor at Georgetown University.

But if he were here, he'd say, I got 14 percent of the vote. You clerked for Justice Thurgood Marshall, the first African-American Supreme Court justice.

Tell us a little bit about the background of Richard and of Mildred.

And he wrote a really good book about the history of racism in housing policy. And it said white supremacy above the rooster's head and for the right on the banner below. GROSS: My guest is Sheryll Cashin. They lived in the same neighborhood. It's time to put this to bed. GROSS: OK. Let's get to the actual story of Richard and Mildred Loving, the couple who were the plaintiffs in the 1967 Supreme Court case. These convictions must be reversed. And I believe there's still some people who can't accept that idea of a multi-racial politics where a lot of different people have voice. Cashin grew up the child of civil rights activists in Huntsville, Ala. She grew up in Huntsville, Ala., the daughter of civil rights activists. They come out with this pamphlet. And so Central Point had a long history of mixing. On July 11, the commonwealth's attorney for Caroline County, Bernard Mahon, obtained warrants for the couple's arrest. Author Sheryll Cashin's talks about the Loving v. Virginia ruling, which overturned state laws prohibiting interracial marriage. These convictions must be reversed.


CASHIN: That was the first time and the signature time when the Supreme Court of the United States says explicitly, this law is about maintaining white supremacy - the first time they used these words to name what the Civil War and the 14th Amendment should have defeated, right?

Nobody was bigger, badder, smarter than Daddy. And I knew that, right? Integrated, well-resourced schools with good teachers who cared about me - and I can't say that that's for the neighborhoods I lived in. June 12 marks the 50th anniversary of the decision. They missed their family. And Chief Justice Earl Warren's decision in the Loving v. Virginia case actually mentions white supremacy. CASHIN: You clearly read my memoir, Terry. And you describe it as advocating the creation of a superior race through the mixing of the races and that this was, like, fake stuff designed to scare people into thinking that this was actually Lincoln's agenda, that this is what he wanted to do... CASHIN: Lincoln's agenda, right (laughter). GROSS: So as a result of moving to a middle-class neighborhood that you were supposed to be shut out of because you were black - but as a result of moving there, you got to go to a better school than you would have 'cause the better schools are usually in the middle-class neighborhoods and back then, certainly, in the white neighborhoods. Your email address will not be published. …Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State. And that after segregation ended, the classes divided, and we ended up with, you know, with ghettos and black middle-class neighborhoods.

CASHIN: First of all, they come from a little hamlet called Central Point, which had existed from colonial times. So it crashed, perhaps not as effectively as anybody sabotaged it wanted it to crash.

And so he kind of treated me a bit like a granddaughter, you know. 206 Va. 924, 147 S. E. 2d 78, reversed. And, you know, the cultures became separated that way. It was hard for me to watch. But I also have this thing about security, you know? And if you think - what George Wallace represented, in - you know, may he rest in peace, he changed, you know. 5 best quotes from the marriage equality decision to use in your ceremony, Doing good while getting wed: wedding charity ideas to support your favorite causes, We are shooketh by this sunlit forest elopement in Cougal Cascades. Sheryll Cashin, welcome to FRESH AIR. 395 Argued: April 10, 1967 Decided: June 12, 1967. Absolutely not. The little bullet hole was always there (laughter). And I went to an integrated school on the other side of town. He led a very interesting life. You had a professional class there, black doctors, black teachers. And so I'll be honest. He never flew again. I got to go to public school at a time when the work of Thurgood Marshall - you know, the South was living up to it. You know, he could go from telling a story about going down to fight these civil rights battles - going down into the sleepy Southern towns and getting out of there within a hair of his life to helping draft the Kenyan constitution and to hanging out with Lena Horne or hanging out with Langston Hughes in college down in the village with the hip crowd, you know, everything that came out of his mouth was like gold. They're not people who thought in those terms. CASHIN: When you experience - there is nothing romantic about being poor. She was black. We integrated a neighborhood. When you were four months old, you were with your mother when she was arrested for participating in a sit-in when she was trying to integrate - what was it? And he would invoke Frederick Douglass, and I would get very inspired when he would do this.

You know, we were the only black family at the Unitarian church. You saw black people empowering themselves. His dental office was taken away. The immediate block was quite nice.

GROSS: ...That's the one I was thinking of, yeah.
GROSS: So Richard gets on a thousand dollars bail.


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